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<DIV><BR>hello Daniel<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>
<DIV style="BORDER-RIGHT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-TOP: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-LEFT: #666666 1px solid; BORDER-BOTTOM: #666666 1px solid; BACKGROUND-COLOR: #eeeeee"><FONT size=2><B><daniel@voice-system.ro></B><BR>Re: [Serusers] OpenSER release</FONT></DIV><PRE>>Hello Max,
On 06/17/05 15:42, Max Malloy wrote:
>> Dear Bogdan, Dear Daniel,
>
>> as a user of SER for a number of years I very much appreciate your
>> work and effort to liberate SER from the clutches of iptelorg.com and
>> its microsoft llike attitude. I am sure it was not easy for you to
>> stand-up against those who have paid your salary for so long and given
>> you the chance to collect the knowledgy and software upon which you
>> have built your own company.
>you are right about collecting knowledge, but, fwi, the work there was
>related to different research projects, and SER was more a side effect.
>If you can review the cvs logs, many contributions of us were made in
>our free time, many features in SER were never used in a project of the
>institute. Because we lived at that time paid by the institute, all the
>code (also the one made in our free time) is copyrighted by the institute.
<BR><BR> <BR>I did not know this. You must have had a lot of free time <BR>(Fraunhofer must be a great place to work at -5 People have so much free time to <BR>allow them to write such great software) You should actually sue the Fraunhofer so as to <BR>get the rights for the software. By the way what was your research topic. I have googled <BR>a bit and the only paper I found with your name was something about billing and SER <BR>(which looked very much like your current product) <BR>
>> I also agree with you that it is utterly rude of the Fraunhofer as the
>> maintainer of the iptel.org site to make a reference to its start-up
>> -the fact that Fraunhofer has invested so much (including your
>> salaries I assume) does not give it the right to do so.
>I do not agree with you, they have the right and can do what they want,
>they own the system. The issue was whether this is acceptable or not for
>the community.
<BR> <BR>Oh. So what is the issue. I can not remember that anyone has ever complaind about the <BR>reference and I guess none of the real users of SER even go to the home page of iptel.org<BR>(anyone using SER would go directly to the SER pages). But I can understand that you are not <BR>happy that your company is not mentioned <BR>
>> Are you planning to extend openSER with the VNT and the VPS products
>> you have announced on your web site? As a user of SER and I guess a
>> lot of other users as well have painfully been longing to a billing
>> engine that can just do these things your products are promising. A
>> better support for NAT traversal would also be nice.
>Let's not mix the things. It is about free contributions. It does not
>mean I will make everything I own public. Would you give me your car?
>There are stand alone applications, different software or products, and
>I do not think everybody is going to give their products for free even
>they support open source or openser, in particular. Dont expect that you
>will have a nice live just supporting openser so everybody will give you
>what you will need. Would you share the earnings of using this software
>with the others?
<BR> <BR>I do not understand this now. so you are compalining that iptelorg provides closed source<BR>components to help it receive some revenue and fund its people who are working on SER.<BR>On the other hand you find it strange to ask you about your stuff. <BR>
>> I would recommend to put these parts under the BSD license.
>It is not possible, it is not compatible with GPL license. One would
>have to write a new ser from scratch to do so.
<BR> <BR><BR>I just mean the parts you have implemented separately from SER<BR>
>> Our company would like to build an NGN product that would benefit
>> greatly from your components. iptelorg has insisted on us paying
>> money for any source code they produce -it seems they still did not
>> realize that they do not own SER -SER and all its extensions belong
>> to the users and the community.
>You are not right at all, you own your code and extensions, not others.
>As you can see, every file has a copyright holder which own the code. He
>can do what ever he wants to do, you can do also (take and modify), but
>do not expect that iptelorg or somebody else to do for you something for
>free when you require.
<BR> <BR>So if they are right in their business model I am not sure why you are making such a big fuss. <BR>It seems that you have the same attitude to open source as iptelorg (it is only good as long<BR>as it serves your own needs). For me it looks like this new fork is just a strategy to grab the <BR>control on SER. And even worse, I am afraid that if your company becomes more successful you will <BR>act just as iptelorg and will turn your back on the SER users and the SER community. <BR>With this background, to be honest, I would prefer the current situation and the control of iptelorg<BR>(at least we know how they work) than shifting my confidence to a new group that is just as commercial.<BR> <BR>
>The issue which generated this situation was related to free
>contributions. When someone wants to make something available for
>others, and users need it and it is something good, why to drop it.<BR><BR> <BR>looking at the complete discussion and at your answers above, I am not really sure whether <BR>I should really believe this. <BR>If your real concern is SER then I would have assumed that you would have tried to discuss <BR>this with Andrei and Jan (they sound like really reasonable guys).
>So, let's analyze and interpret better the reality.
<BR> <BR>To be honest, I am really dissapointed from your answers and I am more tending to believe that<BR>the reality is more about control and company strategy than real concern about the well being of<BR>the SER community and users. <BR>
Regards,
Daniel
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