<p>Sorry Daniel. I didn't see your message until I replied. </p>
<p>Understood. </p>
<p>On to 3.3...</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 20, 2012 6:27 PM, "David J" <<a href="mailto:david@styleflare.com">david@styleflare.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<p>Dave. </p>
<p>Understandably. But my point was missed if you think that anyone here is trying to monopolize on the list please do understand that they usually "contribute" to the project. Besides they are responsible for making kamailio what is today. All so you can benefit. To say that there rates are outrageous is an insult to the great software your going to use. You should look at the overall value that the software provides and calculate how much you saved by nit having to build it yourself for the last 10yrz yourself. </p>
<p>Once you put it in to perspective its really a very good value to use a seasoned developer on the list.</p>
<p>I am sure they can respect your budget but equally respect their time and contribution.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Jun 20, 2012 6:13 PM, "copycall" <<a href="mailto:dave@copycall.com" target="_blank">dave@copycall.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
david,<br><br>invariably, this happens on most open source projects and lists.<br><br>a few of developers begin to think all the roads lead through them.<br><br>and, they are out today to protect their turf<br><br>so, they start with the barber-shop membership, pseudo-licensing, and a separate list: the gatekeeping begins.<br>
<br>i have contacted some of the "developers" on the list over the last 18-24 months about other projects.<br><br>their pricing was outrageous for a small service provider and the specific project, other alternatives had to be found.<br>
<br>i concluded they were looking for the "home run" client, an att or verizon.<br><br>it's the same today, a small innocuous job elicits the mocking, compulsive rule citations, and in your case, a slighting of all the kamailio users who are not on the developer's list.<br>
<br>maybe you are right, maybe no one can do this job but a developer on the list. obviously, if this is the case, money will not be exchanged. however, not one developer has offered their services at any price. i will welcome these proposals.<br>
<br>maybe some users do not want to be on the developers list, or they are not ready, or have the time at the moment. but, maybe they want to do a small job to see where it leads, or for fun, or they need a few extra bucks.<br>
<br>i don't mind the possible risk in giving someone a chance.<br><br>regarding the pricing you mentioned, my job as a buyer is to get the best value for my money. but, thanks for your price list.<br><br>since several people have already offered their services, i think you are a bit misinformed about the competitive marketplace.<br>
<br>if your goal is to grow the number of service providers using kamailio, you have employed an odd strategy to implement it.<br><br>dave<br><br><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 2:20 PM, David <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:david@styleflare.com" target="_blank">david@styleflare.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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To chime in here,<br>
<br>
On behalf of the professional developers on the list, it seems "a
guy giving a try" may get you stated but someone with experience
will get you there faster with a more predictable result.<br>
<br>
I would think the going rate today for an experienced kamailio
developer is about $150/hr US. its possible someone in a developing
country on odesk will try and charge less like $60 USD which is the
equivalent of someone here charging $1500/hr, but they most probably
dont have 8-10 years experience, and also a very high probability
they don't contribute to the community. Its also more than likely
they wont finish the project or get you much past whats available to
you for FREE on the WIKI.<br>
<br>
You have to realize professionals charge professional rates, seeing
that it was "Alex bashing", If you actually search the mailing list,
Alex happens to answer many difficult questions for users free of
charge. So if you think Alex is getting rich quick of this list,
your obviously very fresh to the list.<br>
<br>
Your certainly welcome to post a more specific question on the list
like how come my server only processes 1 cps...<br>
<br>
I am sure the community will be very eager to help.<br>
<br>
Good luck on your project, if you do happen to succeed please inform
the list, we would be happy to welcome your star developer into the
community.<br>
<br>
All the best.<div><div><br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On 6/20/12 3:28 PM, copycall wrote:
<blockquote type="cite">alex,<br>
<br>
if it offended you, then i apologize for telling you to "get a
pair".<br>
<br>
well, i have received several offers to do what i am looking for,
not all at my asking price, which you think is too low.<br>
<br>
maybe some kamailio users don't consider themselves developers,
but are still interested in trying something new.<br>
<br>
i am willing to give someone an opportunity, including you.<br>
<br>
dave<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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On Wed, Jun 20, 2012 at 12:12 PM, Fred Posner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:fred@teamforrest.com" target="_blank">fred@teamforrest.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
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<div>On Jun 20, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Alex Balashov
wrote:<br>
<br>
> On 06/20/2012 02:38 PM, Fred Posner wrote:<br>
><br>
>> I know a great bakery that can offer dessert
kamailio pricing.<br>
>> Generally, $6/portion starting.<br>
><br>
> What's the going rate for the Millenium Falcon cake
these days? :-)<br>
><br>
<br>
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They start at $250 and increase by size. =)<br>
<br>
Death Stars are much cheaper. =)<br>
<div><br>
With best regards,<br>
<br>
Fred<br>
<a href="http://qxork.com" target="_blank">http://qxork.com</a><br>
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